Wrong Again...
So over at Right from the Right, the Game cites Robert Novak's statement regarding his role in the Valerie Plame Leak affair then comments on Novak and the case, ranting as he often does about how the "left" wants to regain power. Duh?!
Game demonstrates once again his failure to grasp the documented realities of this situation even to the point of making assertions that are patently false.
For example, Game says, "NO ONE EVER said the name Valerie Plame or Wison, NO ONE....except JOE WILSON....that is who he found out the information from." This is untrue of course because Joe Wilson did not give this information to Novak or anyone else. Novak admits that he was given information that "Wilson's wife" was a CIA operative. The right and Game assert that this single "fact" lets everyone off the hook because the "name" of the operative was not leaked. So I guess that means if I were to reveal that the man who lives at 123 Main St. is a CIA operative, I'm not divulging classified information.
How absurd is that notion?
Game said, "a person that was not really undercover if all you had to do was look up her name." Again, how absurd is that notion?
Game seems to think that to actually be a covert agent, you must become one of the "Men In Black" and completely lose your identity. The fact that "V" actually did have an identity in no way makes her covert status public knowledge.
The right claims that Plame wasn't covert because Novak got her name out of "Who's Who". They and Game seem to forget that Joe Wilson was a United States ambassador and he and who he was married to would reasonably be found in "Who's Who". But "Who's Who" does not describe Plame as a covert CIA operative. And the CIA has repeatedly stated that Plame was a covert agent and that that information was classified. Patrick Fitzgerald confirmed that in October of 2005 stating that her being a covert CIA operative was unknown OUTSIDE of the intelligence community.
So Novak divulged CLASSIFIED INFORMATION given to him by government officials. To the right and Game, this is OK because it is somehow different from the NY Times printing information about a "secret" financial intelligence program or a possibly illegal wire-tapping program.
Why would one be upset about the former and not the latter? Because there is a good case that the "vital" anti-terrorism programs were conducted without proper congressional and judicial oversight whereas the damaging leak of CLASSIFIED information about the identity of a covert CIA agent was done purely for political purposes.
Note: I welcome comments about this and other posts on my blog. If you wish to debate with facts and citations of reputable sources, that would be great. If the gist of your comment is an ad hominem attack, I will probably delete your comment. I reserve the right to give you a warning or not. You do not have to agree with me. But you do have to present a fact-based argument or an informed opinion.
Game demonstrates once again his failure to grasp the documented realities of this situation even to the point of making assertions that are patently false.
For example, Game says, "NO ONE EVER said the name Valerie Plame or Wison, NO ONE....except JOE WILSON....that is who he found out the information from." This is untrue of course because Joe Wilson did not give this information to Novak or anyone else. Novak admits that he was given information that "Wilson's wife" was a CIA operative. The right and Game assert that this single "fact" lets everyone off the hook because the "name" of the operative was not leaked. So I guess that means if I were to reveal that the man who lives at 123 Main St. is a CIA operative, I'm not divulging classified information.
How absurd is that notion?
Game said, "a person that was not really undercover if all you had to do was look up her name." Again, how absurd is that notion?
Game seems to think that to actually be a covert agent, you must become one of the "Men In Black" and completely lose your identity. The fact that "V" actually did have an identity in no way makes her covert status public knowledge.
The right claims that Plame wasn't covert because Novak got her name out of "Who's Who". They and Game seem to forget that Joe Wilson was a United States ambassador and he and who he was married to would reasonably be found in "Who's Who". But "Who's Who" does not describe Plame as a covert CIA operative. And the CIA has repeatedly stated that Plame was a covert agent and that that information was classified. Patrick Fitzgerald confirmed that in October of 2005 stating that her being a covert CIA operative was unknown OUTSIDE of the intelligence community.
So Novak divulged CLASSIFIED INFORMATION given to him by government officials. To the right and Game, this is OK because it is somehow different from the NY Times printing information about a "secret" financial intelligence program or a possibly illegal wire-tapping program.
Why would one be upset about the former and not the latter? Because there is a good case that the "vital" anti-terrorism programs were conducted without proper congressional and judicial oversight whereas the damaging leak of CLASSIFIED information about the identity of a covert CIA agent was done purely for political purposes.
Note: I welcome comments about this and other posts on my blog. If you wish to debate with facts and citations of reputable sources, that would be great. If the gist of your comment is an ad hominem attack, I will probably delete your comment. I reserve the right to give you a warning or not. You do not have to agree with me. But you do have to present a fact-based argument or an informed opinion.
posted by Jim at 9:20 PM
10 Comments:
Where are the facts that the bank tracking program was illegal? Show me ONE case of an American's rights being taken away because of the anti-terrorism measures..
All that is happened in that case is that we have had no more terrorism here...obviously with people like you in charge we would have, because you are supposedly more worried about some political hack that was so classified that Robert Novak easily knew who she was...
The Left spent three years yelling that it was Karl Rove who outed Plame...Novak has said that is not true, and you have not yet apologized...
I am not sure what danger she would have been in since everyone in her community knew who she was, she worked in an office, she wasn't doing anything dangerous for the CIA....this is a NON STORY....
Now, trying to hurt this COUNTRY and the war on terror is a big story...
Don't you understand how people with common sense and intelligence see the difference...
They see how unimportant the Plame leak is, and they are very pissed about helping terrorist blow this country up...
It is so easy to see, but of course not for someone with the mental disorder called liberalism
OK, I'm going to go over this very slowly...
I never said that the bank tracking program WAS DEFINITELY illegal. I said that there is a good case that the program and the wire-tapping program were done without congressional or judicial oversight. This may or may not be true, but just because a Justice lawyer working for the administration says it's OK, that doesn't make it OK.
So I need not show you any fact proving illegality, but I can show you scores of opinions by government, legal and academic experts that suspect that it might be.
And the silly show me ONE case bit is nonsense because the whole point is that we don't know because there may not be proper judicial oversight.
You apparently are not actually reading about anything relating to the facts of the Plame case.
Ready? Bob Novak CLEARLY states that Karl Rove was a confirming source regarding Valerie Plame. Therefore Kark Rove outed Plame.
Matt Cooper has also CLEARLY stated and testified that Kark Rove was HIS source regarding Valerie Plame.
Rove is owed no apology from me or anyone else.
Next, Novak did not know "who she was". Rove and Novak's primary source named "Wilson's wife." Novak did the intense research work of looking at Who's Who in order to find out THE NAME of Wilson's wife.
To recap: Novak knew nothing whatsoever about Valerie Plame. Rove and Novak's primary source leaked "Wilson's wife". Novak found Wilson's wife name in Who's Who. NOW Novak knows the name of the covert CIA agent. Who's Who did not identify Plame as a covert CIA agent.
I have cited TWICE now from the OFFICIAL Press Release by Patrick Fitzgerald, the Independent Counsel, from his October 25, 2005 presentation of the case:
Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson's employment status was classified. Prior to that date, her affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community. Disclosure of classified information about an individual's employment by the CIA has the potential to damage the national security in ways that range from preventing that individual's future use in a covert capacity, to compromising intelligence-gathering methods and operations, and endangering the safety of CIA employees and those who deal with them, the indictment states.
So is Patrick Fitzgerald an incompetent DOJ attorney, a miserable Bush-hating liar, or simply a moron?
To recap, the DOJ Independent counsel OFFICIALLY stated that Plame's employment status was classified and that her affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community.
Could it be more plain than that?
Finally...
WARNING: This type of comment --
"mental disorder called liberalism"
is gratuitous, bullshit hate speech. You can say this on your site, but I won't tolerate it on mine.
Good stuff, well stated, Jim.
You have an outstanding good and well structured site. I enjoyed browsing through it »
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